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shru · Apr 19, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

I forgot a skill. sorry. my post still suggests a perfectly viable build, yours just points out that i didnt read 20 posts that i dont care about.

20 posts? did you look at the title?

Boren Supremecy · Apr 19, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

just buy eotn its $10 a lot of places

Dronte · Apr 19, 2008, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by Boren Supremecy

just buy eotn its $10 a lot of places

Another constructive post... And if you arent american?

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Rt/n bomber is bad imo. Takes too much time spamming his own enchants just so he can get energy for casting minions, then by the time it casts a few minions it needs to start using death nova a million times. The necro primary minion bomber will have more time to devote to raising new minions quicker and won't need to spend 6+ seconds getting enchants ready all the time.

But its still better than anything else without GW:EN.

Pyro maniac · Apr 19, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Abedeus · Apr 19, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

Pyro's build is good, but Pure was Li Ming is EotN. Change it to like Destruction or other channeling/restoration spell/spirit. Recovery?

Pyro maniac · Apr 19, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Pyro's build is good, but Pure was Li Ming is EotN. Change it to like Destruction or other channeling/restoration spell/spirit. Recovery?

you're right, thx

recovery is fine, or use some offensive skill and switch Icy Veins to Weapon of Remedy

ToMeKs · Apr 19, 2008, 11:12 AM // 11:12

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Originally Posted by Boren Supremecy

just buy eotn its $10 a lot of places

Well...In your country you earn much more than in my country. For those 10$ you can buy ~10 Snickers bars, but in my country I can buy ~70 Snickers bars for this GWEN. See the diffrence?
(Is one Snickers 1$? xD)

@Dronte
U are right, I'm not American and GWEN isn't so cheap here. We spend few times more money than most of you for GW. And who's better? xD

@Pyro Maniac
Thanks, I'll try it.

Abedeus · Apr 19, 2008, 12:07 PM // 12:07

Agree with ToMeKs. For me, $15 is whole my allowance. For you, it's half of your allowance. For example, $10 = 20-25 snickers. That's why WoW is so popular amongst teenage Americans and it's not popular in poor countries from Europe like Poland or Hungary.

Oh, and the $ sign is before number. Stupid, I know.

@Pyra - you shouldn't drop OoS. This is Rt/Mo, not N/Rt, so you NEED e-management. Just use Recovery, it's from NF.

Tyla · Apr 19, 2008, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by ToMeKs

Ty for spam.
No EotN=No Volley.

Maybe I didn't read it correctly because Rangers already have an extremely powerful set of skills already?
When Ranger is on the thread title, I automatically point out that build.

So don't make a +1 post telling me "not to spam" and just use the two skills before Volley.
It doesn't take a genious to improvise.

Dronte · Apr 19, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Agree with ToMeKs. For me, $15 is whole my allowance. For you, it's half of your allowance. For example, $10 = 20-25 snickers. That's why WoW is so popular amongst teenage Americans and it's not popular in poor countries from Europe like Poland or Hungary.

Oh, and the $ sign is before number. Stupid, I know.

@Pyra - you shouldn't drop OoS. This is Rt/Mo, not N/Rt, so you NEED e-management. Just use Recovery, it's from NF.

I live there, and thats true, I cant afford WoW. Otherwise I'd play that.

Kaleban · Apr 19, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by ToMeKs

Well...In your country you earn much more than in my country. For those 10$ you can buy ~10 Snickers bars, but in my country I can buy ~70 Snickers bars for this GWEN. See the diffrence?
(Is one Snickers 1$? xD)

@Dronte
U are right, I'm not American and GWEN isn't so cheap here. We spend few times more money than most of you for GW. And who's better? xD

Wait, you can buy Snickers for USD$.07 a piece? So food is 1/7th the cost it is in the States?

I'd think the difference there would allow you to buy GWEN...

Also, if you can't afford to buy the game, then why complain about a build? You know what skills there are, experiment. That's like complaining about a WoW Rogue build being unfair on the WoW forums without ever actually owning the game... If people laugh at you its because there's a reason.

ToMeKs · Apr 19, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

Wait, you can buy Snickers for USD$.07 a piece? So food is 1/7th the cost it is in the States?

I'd think the difference there would allow you to buy GWEN...

Also, if you can't afford to buy the game, then why complain about a build? You know what skills there are, experiment. That's like complaining about a WoW Rogue build being unfair on the WoW forums without ever actually owning the game... If people laugh at you its because there's a reason.

Oh, sorry that I didn't explain it step-by-step. I think that other people understood, so something is wrong with you!

I don't want to experiment. It would:
-cost much money to unlock skills for gwg
-cost much time to get fb

No thanks, I would rather ask experienced people. Experienced, so get out of here!

Sorry.

Kaleban · Apr 19, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by ToMeKs

Oh, sorry that I didn't explain it step-by-step. I think that other people understood, so something is wrong with you!

I don't want to experiment. It would:
-cost much money to unlock skills for gwg
-cost much time to get fb

No thanks, I would rather ask experienced people. Experienced, so get out of here!

Sorry.

Oh I understand perfectly well, you want all builds handed to you on a silver plate, with no thought whatsoever, including alternate versions for those who can't pony up the cash.

Of course, you CAN unlock skills by spending Balthazar Faction, so instead of farming for 1 plat skills, you could just PvP a bit and unlock the skills you need. Without having to buy additional expansions.

But of course, I must be an unexperienced noob to suggest playing PvP and using a built in game mechanic to get what you need without spending money. Also, not sure what GWG or FB is, I assume GvG and "Faction of Balthazar?"

And, you did not explain how being able to spend 1/7th as much on food keeps you from affording an expansion, especially considering you live with your parents and have no real-world expenses, and all you need to do is not spend your allowance for a couple of weeks. I suppose fiscal responsibility isn't taught to minors in socialist countries?

Abedeus · Apr 19, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Kaleban

Also, not sure what GWG or FB is, I assume GvG and "Faction of Balthazar?"

I lol'd. You actually use ,,FoB'' instead of ,,FB''?

Kaleban - I'll explain that. For Americans, $10 is something like 10 zloty for us. But $1 = 2,44 zloty. As you can see, $10 is twice and a half more for us than it is for you. Plus, EotN is, like my country, costs around 80 zloty, so it's about $30 . We (or at least I) payed three times more than you did. Get it now?

Btw - You know that Hungary or Poland isn't socialistic? Socialistic, not socialist countries. Oh, and fiscal responsibility IS taught. That's why I had to give up at least 3 games I wanted to buy (Assassin's Creed, Crysis/Gears of War and NwN2: MotB) so I can FINALLY get a dual-core processor. And even then I had to save money for over 6 months, still wasn't enough.

V Pyro - Yeah, I've been in Hungary. Pretty damn high prices...

Pyro maniac · Apr 19, 2008, 05:12 PM // 17:12

I paid almost 70$ for gwen ..

Kaleban · Apr 19, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

I lol'd. You actually use ,,FoB'' instead of ,,FB''?

Kaleban - I'll explain that. For Americans, $10 is something like 10 zloty for us. But $1 = 2,44 zloty. As you can see, $10 is twice and a half more for us than it is for you. Plus, EotN is, like my country, costs around 80 zloty, so it's about $30 . We (or at least I) payed three times more than you did. Get it now?

I've been to Poland, and am well aware of exchange rates lol. Warsaw and Bialystok specifically.

Perhaps before taking a poster's word at face value, you should check pricing? Pretty much any website (CompUSA, BestBuy, Amazon) list EOTN at USD$29.99, so in reality everyone pays the same. And you should probably learn about exchange rates and relative compensation, in most cases an American making $10 an hour at a job would, in Warsaw be making about 25 zloty an hour, so the purchasing power in both countries is the same. In no way is "$10 is something like 10 zloty for us" that makes no sense at all.

No computer game retailer would be stupid enough to forget about worldwide exchange rates causing those in less developed countries to pay more than those in rich, industrialized nations, that would not benefit the bottom line, sales or advertising.

So no, EOTN does not cost three times as much, and I'm assuming you cannot buy 70 Snickers bars for 80 zloty...

[edit] I know Poland is now a capitalist state, or at least, rapidly approaching one, and is technically doing better than the US, although that might be due to the much more homogenous population. But it used to be communist/socialist before becoming independent and out from the Iron Curtain, and the transition has not been without problems.

Abedeus · Apr 19, 2008, 05:22 PM // 17:22

No, I can buy like 60-64 Snickers.

And if retailers don't forget about other countries, then why we don't have even slightly cheaper games? For example, there was a time that zloty was so weak that people playing WoW had to pay 60 zloty a weak. Thank God it's under 40 now, but still a lot. And our pre-paid cards are not cheaper, even if they are in our currency.

And if EotN is for $29,99, than why Boren is talking about $10?

Kaleban · Apr 19, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

No, I can buy like 60-64 Snickers.

And if retailers don't forget about other countries, then why we don't have even slightly cheaper games? For example, there was a time that zloty was so weak that people playing WoW had to pay 60 zloty a weak. Thank God it's under 40 now, but still a lot. And our pre-paid cards are not cheaper, even if they are in our currency.

And if EotN is for $29,99, than why Boren is talking about $10?

Boren is wrong. Simple.

A snickers in the US costs about $1, depending on where you live. So your food apparently is much cheaper. You have us beat there. Although we have a slight advantage in gas prices due to currency/volume conversions, Americans generally also have to commute much farther, so Poland probably has an advantage there as well, not to mention smaller, more gas efficient vehicles and nowhere near the amount of interstate transport of goods.

60 zloty a month atm is USD$27 a month, which was during a recessionary time. 40 zloty a month is USD$18 a month, which is quickly approaching the USD$14.99 a month that American players pay. Might want to get your time tables right too, WoW charges by the month, not the week.

That does not take into account the extra cost of setting up and maintaining foreign servers, different bandwidth costs and telecommunications taxes, the rapid changes in currency markets, and all the other economic indicators that I won't go into on a game forum.

Suffice to say, the costs are relatively similar, except apparently, in Snickers. Why not go buy a bunch, export them to the States, sell them for USD$1.07 and retire?

Abedeus · Apr 19, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Yeah, food is in our country cheap. But on the other hand, average income per family is 600 euro. Now look at, for example, France, where income is much, much higher.

Also, for you a hamburger in McDonalds is $5. For us it's almost same in zloty, but it's definitely harder for us to pay it. Why? We make much, much less money.

Although some people, like my uncle, use that situation quite well - he's a captain on two ships (forgot names), but his celery is in $'s. Thanks to that, his family is able to have 1 house at the countryside (pretty nice one) and one in the middle of Tricity Gdynia-Gdansk-Sopot, where prices are extremely high, higher than in Warsaw. Because he's getting polish amount of money, but those 2,4 times more thanks to dolar -> zloty change.

I know WoW charges by the month. And I said ,,under 40''. I checked on my calculator and it was something around 36 zloty, but I wasn't sure how much is $ worth now. Still, 36 is those few zloty above my allowance. Not that I would want to play wow, it's boring, but still...

Dronte · Apr 19, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

I lol'd. You actually use ,,FoB'' instead of ,,FB''?

Kaleban - I'll explain that. For Americans, $10 is something like 10 zloty for us. But $1 = 2,44 zloty. As you can see, $10 is twice and a half more for us than it is for you. Plus, EotN is, like my country, costs around 80 zloty, so it's about $30 . We (or at least I) payed three times more than you did. Get it now?

Btw - You know that Hungary or Poland isn't socialistic? Socialistic, not socialist countries. Oh, and fiscal responsibility IS taught. That's why I had to give up at least 3 games I wanted to buy (Assassin's Creed, Crysis/Gears of War and NwN2: MotB) so I can FINALLY get a dual-core processor. And even then I had to save money for over 6 months, still wasn't enough.

V Pyro - Yeah, I've been in Hungary. Pretty damn high prices...

I buy only a very few games (like GW).. simply cant afford more. And I decided not to spend more money on my com, because it simply doesnt worth it. Like you buy that dual-core processor after 1-year saving up, and after 3 months you can buy a better one to run the new games..

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

No, I can buy like 60-64 Snickers.

And if retailers don't forget about other countries, then why we don't have even slightly cheaper games? For example, there was a time that zloty was so weak that people playing WoW had to pay 60 zloty a weak. Thank God it's under 40 now, but still a lot. And our pre-paid cards are not cheaper, even if they are in our currency.

And if EotN is for $29,99, than why Boren is talking about $10?

There was a special offer in America's Target Stores, GW:EN was $10. But its normal again there as well.